Monday Night Magic #3 - Heavyweights and Naked Mole Rats

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tomgustafson

Hey hello I would welcome everyone to ah another I got 3 in a row episodes of Monday net magic. It's amazing I'm actually showed up three weeks in a row that's impressive. So joining me as always. It's fantastic brent. Do you want to say hello and your love of Taco Bell

00:15.54

Brent

Hello I love ah Taco Bell I'm sure we'll get sponsorship from them any day now.

00:20.30

tomgustafson

Yes, and and I and I also want to get a sponsorship from Al Newman I don't know if you are a 90 S baseball twins fan the Al Newman was legendary on the Minnesota twins because he wasn't good at anything by mean he could play any position including like concessions. Ticket taking I wonder if he ever I honestly wanted I need to see if you ever pitched once because he could do pretty much none of it very well but he could do it all. He was the this is 91 tops there. We go. That's it.

00:45.37

Brent

That card. Oh I'm sorry that card has we could even bring that up when talking about ah magic cards with the humidity the way it's meant look at that. Ah.

00:54.92

tomgustafson

Yeah, we got the nice. We got the nice bend on this one these these were my wife's I don't know where she where she was cleaning the house we were doing spring cleaning. She's like I found baseball cards I'm like why do you have a pile of 91 Topps Baseball Cards this makes no sense. I looked up but there was a couple of decent rookies like Jeff Bagwell is from that year she didn't have any of those the best one I found was well Al Newman and Ruben Sierra who is probably going to play baseball until he's like 100 years old yeah he played into I think into his.

01:15.36

Brent

No yeah.

01:21.60

Brent

Yeah, he was on the rangers then right was Ruben Sierra rangers in um, yeah, yeah.

01:29.10

tomgustafson

He was probably almost fifty I think when he retired he played forever. It was a fairly amazing but Brent this is not a podcast about old worthless baseball cards. This is a hard-hitting professional top tier grade competitive edh podcast.

01:48.29

Brent

We ah.

01:48.38

tomgustafson

We only play the game to win like you watch heavyweights I'm like camp Mvp where I am trained to to ah participate and be at the top level at all times and and as a father. And as of similar ages camp heavyweights is probably 1 of the best movies I've ever seen probably in my entire life that movie is phenomenal.

02:08.65

Brent

Is is it on Disney plus I thought it kind of got based based on the premise of it and some of the jokes in the movie I thought that kind of got sequestered into the vault.

02:18.78

tomgustafson

Um I don't know I we I purchased it like on Dvd because we watched I made my kids watch it. It's one of the early Ben Stiller appearances and his dad not not early for Jerry Stiller but his dad's in it too and Ben Stiller is pretty pretty good in that movie. Lunch is cancel du to a lack of hustle deal with it. It's great. Great movie.

02:41.90

Brent

Ah, yes, it is oh it oh it is it's on Disney plus is on Disney. Oh.

02:45.51

tomgustafson

It is on Disney plus there you go I that is an a plus recommendation if you need a movie to watch with by yourself with your family ah random strangers I think you could all have phone watching but heavy weights.

02:57.71

Brent

It is definitely worthwhile. How did we get into heavyweights from magic.

03:02.45

tomgustafson

Um, I'm trying to remember or that because with this is a competitive we me and Brent we only play magic at the highest levels. So it's like the the do we go to the premise of heavyweights. Basically the fat camp the the the fun, the cool kids.

03:07.10

Brent

Ah, oh yeah, yeah.

03:20.94

tomgustafson

They're forced to play basically like a a tournament of events against camp mvp which is all like these this the super of like twelve year olds like the super athletes and they just get trounce. But the the the coach of team mp is just a big douche and no. You take it easy. No where my campers are trained to compete at the highest levels at all times we don't want to confuse them. So yeah, we all reality we are camp hope in that movie in all reality.

03:42.54

Brent

I Would I think that would accurately describe us when it comes to playing magic and the a tear we're at.

03:53.95

tomgustafson

We we literally we already talking about fast food and and in that movie there's that great like you know, ah underground black market for fast food where they like the fake tree stump members so they can get I heard a wrapper a food wrapper A great move.

03:54.37

Brent

See if we were yes.

04:03.31

Brent

Yep yep.

04:08.50

Brent

And the weighins they would have the weighins where he would ah I forgot Ben Stiller's character where you know he'd record him for his video or whatever the series he was shooting and he hadn't do the way and he had the 1 kid come on up come on up and it gets on the scale and then you get off. Ah.

04:17.39

tomgustafson

The get off of turn off the camera.

04:26.95

Brent

Ah I guess stop life and sorry sorry.

04:29.27

tomgustafson

No yeah heavyweights I I probably I probably watch that movie every couple of months in all honesty I watch heavyweights.

04:36.62

Brent

Um, you know it's another heavyweight these new sets that's going to be released.

04:40.45

tomgustafson

It is that I you deserve a raise for that transition there that was very well that was expertly done. So yeah, so yeah, we're brown kind of starting on the roads of streets of New Capena and Adam Saborski who I just realized he but he wrote up the news article for this. So I've used a podcast with him. Um, and yeah, so we were kind of a little bit before we started recording that this so far. The set is kind of tickling a lot of positive boxes and I like to be tickled positively so Brent. What about you kind of so far kind of. Seems interesting from this set now that we we've gotten a couple of cards where we're getting more about the background and I guess the lore by here.

05:22.24

Brent

Well I I guess I'll look at it from the the art I think the art and it looks great. Once again, you have full art basic lands. Ah, there's even going to be different art styles for them. Ah once like the quote unquote regular and the other is that I'm in a mess. It's art deco or art.

05:40.29

tomgustafson

Art I would call it definitely art Deco um kind of kind of think of like the the big hotel in the original ghostbusters that was like an art deco style.

05:41.43

Brent

Nouvevo I don't I'm not a okay art de okay so it's art Deco Okay deco. Okay, yep, it has ah those styles. It looks like for the lands and even for the some of the ah like the trioms. They've revealed for this one. They also have that similar treatment where there's gonna be a couple different arts for them. I know some people are always a fan of having multiple arts for the same card but the art does I think the art looks great on them so far.

06:05.74

tomgustafson

You.

06:12.43

tomgustafson

Yeah I liked the I like the ah if you go'll I'll try to have the link in the show notes. But if you go to the the art deco kind of the full art lands I like that they very clearly show the like the symbol for each of the crime families which I kind of liked seeing as I was reading more about it. Um. And also though I like the proving the ziot toras proving ground where it's like a boxing ring or something and they're like cleaning the blood off of it that 1 seems pretty cool.

06:39.62

Brent

Yeah, so those those seem ah so we'll get that we'll finish our ah cycle of triumphs those will be out there. So now everyone can complete that cycle and hopefully be happy the the naming on them seems unique. It definitely seems plain specific. You know Xander's lounge Xot Tora's proving ground Spars had like you know I mean it? Yeah yeah, it's just it's it's as opposed to I know that was like you know the trios where ketoss which area they were on a coreria but these seem much more specific.

06:59.46

tomgustafson

Yeah, um, a garden for the ni on.

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tomgustafson

Okay.

07:17.13

Brent

You know for this plane.

07:21.34

tomgustafson

Yeah, its it's kind of yeah it says that they have a more like a variety of naming not just something Triumph Blank Triumph Um, and I honestly had kind of forgotten I mean because I you know going back to a coreria is like I did I had forgotten that the a they're obviously are not basic with that. They have the land types for it.

07:29.21

Brent

Yep, yes.

07:40.71

tomgustafson

And I totally space that they had cycl like that I might as well throw everything might as I have a good like give you two life I don't know something and like it. Someone's like okay make it ah a really expensive land. Perfect.

07:40.92

Brent

Yep yep yep.

07:47.93

Brent

You well and these will be the only cards with cycling in the set right? wasn't that on an Askros water question. Okay.

07:57.54

tomgustafson

That seemed to be confirmed. Yeah because everybody wondered if that was coming back and they said no just because it was on the triumph lands that is all that it's doing.

08:07.30

Brent

Um, it looks like the there's goingnna be new ascendancies in this ah set. So if you remember back to tarki I don't remember conss right? was Cons Tar here they head yeah k to tark here that had the ascendancy for each one of the the clans you know like jesska ascendancy. Yep.

08:23.50

tomgustafson

Yeah, Absan and.

08:26.79

Brent

Although it looks like that will be another cycle that will be expanded here on streets of New Cappena and the only preview they give is the brokers ascendancy which is the I'm going. It's banned green great green white blue.

08:33.88

tomgustafson

Which is.

08:41.65

tomgustafson

Yet I I have a hard time. Yeah yes, keep track of all there were random names these days I guess I would not see what's ah what are the new. At some point we'll go through the new family names which are kind of fun. But.

08:43.77

Brent

It's that shard. Yeah.

08:55.43

Brent

Ah, yeah, they'll have them up here. Where is it yeah because they have the they even have the logos up here. Ah so ah, bant is the oh broke. Oh the na I thought it's just Brokers is there A nameia Brokers Brokers is bant Red green.

09:00.40

tomgustafson

Yeah, because Bandt is Spar what a sparrow what? what is this brokers just brokers. Okay.

09:14.44

Brent

Why so that's Nia is cat there you go. Ah.

09:16.81

tomgustafson

Cabaretti Gobat you Ah I Saw a great post about how how to annoy your teenager was to take like words like like testosterone but pronounce them like their pastas like testostoro and they. But that would drive my kids into a murderous rage if I could if I did that consistently every that ends with an O and E Oh yeah.

09:36.29

Brent

That's that's where I'll ah I'll start doing that I'll start to working out that way. Oh when I'll start doing that and then we have the ah the riveteers which are black red green. So like ah no black red. Ah junned John that's junned.

09:51.58

tomgustafson

John did I think is black red green maestros I guess it is an answer because it because it looks like it's like a shia but looks like almost like a maestro is like ah a conducting wand. It's kind of what I look at when I see the logo.

09:55.85

Brent

The the Maestros Maestros but Maestros there you go maestros.

10:04.55

Brent

Yeah, you've got that's blue black red. So that's a Grius Gri This would be that short and then obscura a white blue black which would be esper if we're doing back to the shards.

10:12.00

tomgustafson

Yep.

10:19.83

tomgustafson

So and yeah I think I think all the symbols look pretty. They look interesting to me I have always had a sort of a sauce spot for art, kind of art deco and you know, kind of the the roaring twenty s kind of style for things and ah you know crime families. It seems like it's hard to go too wrong with this as a.

10:39.30

Brent

No yeah I think they'll ah I think it it looked well like said we were just starting to get previews. It looks pretty good so far.

10:39.43

tomgustafson

Basis for a set.

10:45.77

tomgustafson

And I want to say now that at the bottom of the link to they show like the different packaging and this would seem to confirm that those ah Reddit pictures that we saw were probably real because they fit the packaging that we see here.

10:59.50

Brent

Yeah, yeah, that bundle seems to match up. Ah pretty well with ah what's shown here on the official wizards link.

11:07.66

tomgustafson

So it is out there already and and again we'll get new commander decks with and they've already. We've got some spoilers for or at least on the packaging for the the the new commanders or at least some of the commander cards coming out look pretty good. And we have be decked brokers for the brokers. We have the cabaret de cacaphone we have the riveters. That's it's gonna be so much fun riveters rampage the maestros massacre and Obscura being like you said ah esper obscura operation. So it sounds pretty fun.

11:38.17

Brent

Like and from just looking at the pictures of the products that were on the link for the pre-release pack. It looks like you will be choosing a house a crime family or I don't know if they're crime fan but is it are they families is that what they call them or.

11:51.90

tomgustafson

Yeah I think there at least I would assume they called him like crime families fight families. Yes, they are referring them as families.

11:55.55

Brent

Family. It looks like you'll be by family. It looks like you'll be choosing a family for the pre release because the one they show here is the obscura which would lead me to believe yeah they would have it for each of the so you get to choose it and then.

12:04.77

tomgustafson

Yeah, with white blue black which.

12:12.98

Brent

Build your build your pre-release stack based off that.

12:14.35

tomgustafson

Yeah, I'm kind of I guess I you know just you know since we are thinking like you said you kind of automatically think of shards with this. Do you feel that there's gonna be a bias towards a couple of shards just kind of the you know and try remember I guess power levels I'm trying to think of I feel I feel like more I remember juned.

12:27.98

Brent

A yeah.

12:33.96

tomgustafson

Being you know, very strong with this gricks as being pretty good. Um.

12:37.35

Brent

I Think there will be and that's just part it they'll they'll do their best to try and even them out but there's always going to be some kind of lean to you know one one family more than the other just because of the cards that they're going to be put into. Once we hit know the whole set card list.

12:59.68

tomgustafson

And we're gonna get minestone again at least in some of these commandered X which is pretty good.

13:06.32

Brent

Well oh yep, yep for the commander launch party see. It's ah some Swift foot boots if you were yeah minestone. That's ah.

13:09.20

tomgustafson

Or minestone I think my aren't minestone's oddly expensive now I wife think every magic card is oddly expensive but minestone.

13:20.90

Brent

Um, I just still look that up and let's check. Let's see ah right? Ah, what doesn't look too bad. Yeah no, it's it's because you played magic for so long. Everything gets like distorted weird out of view.

13:27.69

tomgustafson

Well I guess there another like a dollar I Guess in my mind I thought minestones really expensive never mind.

13:39.38

Brent

You're like yeah yeah, this card's not that much and then you go look it up. You're like how is this card that much And yeah.

13:41.40

tomgustafson

Um, yeah, what was a a concordant crossroads I'm like oh I Just you know some you know crappy anthology is it. The white bordered is it anthologies chronicles. Thank you? um.

13:50.80

Brent

Yeah, legends and chronicles. Yep, right.

13:56.29

tomgustafson

I had a bunch of them because like you just got him all the time I'm like whatever you know just to I remember playing with it sometimes but we didn't play with the tu I'm like oh I'll just oh dolls just sell ones I don't even play with I got like 10 of them what like 50 like fifty dollars and like what the heck.

13:57.27

Brent

Um, ah.

14:11.36

Brent

Yeah, you look at you like how on Earth are these cards worth this much? yep.

14:19.39

tomgustafson

It's just a white bordered I mean it's got kind of the birds I Guess the art is kind of cool looking but just have in just and yeah, just magic is weird in that respect now.

14:28.38

Brent

Well part of it might be is it ah is it. It's not as outside the color pie but with green and haste is that little kind of a bend on it and maybe that's why part of the costs are the ah the the cost so much money.

14:40.58

tomgustafson

I Would guess that and I think it does enable quite a few combos with kind of green producing tokens and creatures where I think it think there's quite a few infinite combos that can be spawned with concordant crossroads.

14:55.10

Brent

Yeah, it's yeah, it's.

14:57.16

tomgustafson

I should pull up the whole the whole set of chronicles I I remember that being such like kind of like a panned like expansion or set you know because it was white bordered it was you know had the symbols peoples I feel like people didn't really like chronicles that much and it's probably a really valuable set now that i'm. If Concordent Crosswords is $50 I have to go back and see what else is in there. But.

15:15.88

Brent

When you pull it. That's not that bad. We'll pull up ah Mtg stocks for all of your magic card prices mtg stocks where I'm telling you one of these times we're gonna get a sponsorship. It's gonna happen so you click.

15:21.30

tomgustafson

Well Mtg I've never used Mtg stocks Mtg stocks. Okay I'm pulling it up here I've never been here. Um, oh you can look by sets. Oh.

15:34.70

Brent

Sets Interest you like let's say you just like dual land you can click interest and you can click on you dont not interest when we're looking ah analytics. There's a handy list. There's all set. Yeah, you can you can do it by set you do it by card. It's great. So if you click down and go down to Chronicles Click on chronicles.

15:43.68

tomgustafson

Obsessions.

15:52.54

Brent

And then I think default Alphabet I did mine by average by the price and yeah concordant crossroads by far just blows everything like yeah.

15:52.91

tomgustafson

Oh oh, by far the biggest 1 okay city of I'm city brass I remember oh ive a blood moon astronauts alter and 11 but okay.

16:02.70

Brent

Yeah, yes, yeah, common. Yeah, see it's you get all sort and then just kind of plummets down from there. But yeah, you ah you can go on here and find all sorts of interesting. Ah, fun fact.

16:12.86

tomgustafson

Thank you I had I have not viewd this site before because that sounds like kind of liked looking at sets just to see what was valuable. You know, just kind of for for fun and like held fourth edition show me fourth edition be old man of vat forgot Manibolt was in there.

16:30.60

Brent

Yep, yeah oh yeah, yeah, well that went down some because it was in the commander Collection Green I think that was the one where it popped that helped yank the price down some.

16:30.72

tomgustafson

Sylvan library of $50

16:41.89

tomgustafson

Oh yeah, yeah I Love do I like data by I Love when you can see the graphs of price over time.

16:47.18

Brent

Oh yep, Yep yep, they'll have that if you want you can look on there and you can see it and they have they have all sorts is all.

16:52.26

tomgustafson

Man get a foot massage and do this and make it a day.

16:58.11

Brent

Ah, land at strip mine still $15 I mean it's just seeing some of these cards are just absolutely have.

17:03.92

tomgustafson

Ah I still were that was like I still remember playing in my first ever magic tournament this and they had just I had never even heard of like restricted lists and things like going to that and they had just like in person like okay, everybody ever. You can only have one balance in your deck. And there's like you know, like couple of the d bags are like you know playing the white black balance mind twist. You know strip mine garbage are like no like you deserve it because you're a horrible human being.

17:25.75

Brent

What? No no yeah yep yep if you if you play balance you deserve everything that's happened to oh man like ah.

17:38.79

tomgustafson

God Tybo breaking color pies like that card was just ridiculous. Well you get you have no cards and no lands. But I have all my moxes so tough luck.

17:43.36

Brent

Of error. Yeah, or a stasis playing against the stasis deck. It's like well I guess I don't need to do anything today I'm just going to walk away from the table now and but.

17:55.99

tomgustafson

I Don't enjoy playing Magic I don't I just want to watch man This is the this is streaming before streaming of games I'm just going to watch you play magic with your with your deck.

18:09.30

Brent

Other.

18:09.37

tomgustafson

Okay, my my next goal will be. We don't sf do this live on on the air. But I do want to find the least like the least valuable set what the why a city of traders worth $300

18:20.50

Brent

Yeah, it's a lot of money. But.

18:26.69

tomgustafson

What' and survival the fittest is I feel like I remember that being very valuablee but I don't remember it being two hundred and fifty dollars valuable though because I obviously get the fitest nightmare cats.

18:28.38

Brent

Ah, oh.

18:35.19

Brent

Yeah, yeah.

18:42.23

Brent

Yeah, there's it's it's It's a fun fun. Ah.

18:46.28

tomgustafson

Yeah I want to find the worst set I guess what we're as fallen empires is usually what I would assume is maybe 1 of the least valuable sets. But there's probably some rainbow veil.

18:56.16

Brent

Let's see if we can that I would I would agree. It's probably fun them.

19:03.26

tomgustafson

Bought $10 throwll champion at $9 that I remember liking throwll champion and playing a lot of thrillll champion. But so that's that might be the least valuable set. But.

19:11.56

Brent

Wow I know but they have some decent like it doesn't jump up as highves the chronicles but look it. It also doesn't drop off as quick you stuff ten dollars nine dollars you know five five just about three and a half 3 3 two and a half two and a half two like may have something I don't know if there's a I'd have to look if there's a way to ah well we we can look at sealed if we want I mean brave that would be a general idea if you have a set that's more. Ah.

19:33.93

tomgustafson

Yeah, this is a sort by like total.

19:47.43

Brent

Valuable The sealed product would be worth more right? because the idea is that you could like if you get ah a sealed box of Ursa Saga that's worth a lot of money because the idea is that you can get a high value card out of there if we look at sealed product and see what let me? ah so let's go to set. Let's go. Okay so fallen empires.

19:57.82

tomgustafson

Okay, that.

20:06.24

Brent

We've become ah a finance podcast now if we click on sealed a booster box an average booster box of fallen empires is eight hundred and fifty dollars that that does seem high so here. Let's do.

20:06.95

tomgustafson

Ah.

20:14.76

tomgustafson

That seems really high given given what we saw for the the card prices that seems high I mean there was like a thousand packs in each of those boxes. So maybe that's why I saw remember there.

20:25.22

Brent

le's average. Booster box is $: 2200

20:35.13

tomgustafson

That that's just my gut hunch and and again like you said it's it wasn't a bad set I mean like you got him to 2 rocket. There's some good cards in there. But.

20:43.85

Brent

box of urs' destiny. You got $: 8700

20:49.60

tomgustafson

Oh my gosh.

20:57.12

tomgustafson

Do do I Still get these dreams once in a while where um' but you knowm going like back. You know like home areas you know, kind of very rural areas and you go into like the thrift store and they're like I we have these random boxes of carts. It's like I will buy those those unopened boxes in my mind is always like you know Beta but.

21:08.86

Brent

Yeah, yeah, hoping.

21:17.11

tomgustafson

Seems like pretty much any unopened by booster I would probably buy at this point.

21:20.37

Brent

Those are even though when you see the people at post they went to ah like a salvation army or a Goodwill a thrift store and especially if it's a smaller one and they just go in there and there happen to be you know like zipoc baggies full of magic cards. You know they got them as a donation. They're selling them for five bucks and then they open them up and they'll be like dual lands in their demonic tutors just an insane things. They're like yeah I pay $10 canadian for this and you're like why why this this.

21:46.63

tomgustafson

Yeah, well and then I mean I used to kind of do that for goodwi then it kind of changed after Goodwill started putting. You can basically browse Goodwill items online. So also and you can like purchase them so it it became auctioned like where anything that was magic related.

21:57.62

Brent

Yeah.

22:04.63

tomgustafson

You know because they'll just be like there's a box of cards and the prices became outrageous because people were like you know like you said there's could be 1 gayest cra 1 something in that and it's worth the money at that point.

22:15.95

Brent

Yep, yeah oh good good times with magic car side. So yeah I think you're probably right fallen Empires Maybe the lowest ah lowest price say.

22:25.32

tomgustafson

And and like you said still like $800 for booster box that's nuts I still remember going to shidders I don't know um shit I mean I'm not sure if it was a minnesota only store but it was like ah sports cards and collectibles. It was fairly if folded because it was like the the the.

22:33.11

Brent

No never shinders.

22:44.63

tomgustafson

The owner was like it was like a huge fraud scheme but it was a very popular store because it was like the 1 place you could go to get like sports cards and magic cards. Um, and they would have like this case on the wall where they put like the valuable at that time like magic cards and like boosters so they would. Like there'd be like they would have like single boosters of like and took antiquities or legends and they would like the the little flap at top you know where they would like push put a push pin through it. So it hang from there and I still when might I I bought some but like you like $20 for a booster and you're like.

23:10.78

Brent

Yep yep.

23:17.35

tomgustafson

Like oh $20 booster of legends and like I save up and I still remember again I still remember buying the antiquities boosters there like in like we go back and you know you can't predict the future but in your miners like oh my god what if I only would have known and would have bought it all.

23:22.62

Brent

Her.

23:31.58

Brent

Only only would have kept those car only if only my brother hadn't burned those cards. What would have happened but.

23:40.51

tomgustafson

That's where you're telling. That's a that's a sad sad thing. That's the 1 nice thing about being like an old dad player now is as like is we're getting like you know connected with like new dads a lot times you' be like yeah I used to play magic way back when I'm like you should go get your cards I'm like.

23:54.73

Brent

Yes.

23:58.70

tomgustafson

If you have any left I mean I'll buy them from you if you just want to sell them but we try to look through them together because you might have some that are worth potentially a crazy amount of money and they're and they're always like really.

24:08.84

Brent

Yep, yep, yeah, it's that's actually I find that enjoyable when I've ah had friends or acquaintances at work who have brought it up and then I'll be like if you bring in your carts I'll show you where we can you know look over them and give you a general idea and yeah, some of them I had somebody that had ah ah a collection of eater of the dead. From the dark it's it it it? Yeah yeah I mean nothing that seemed like really out of the ordinary and then it spiked in price. The end of last year and I don't know which deck what was being played in. But yeah, it's now 40.

24:29.30

tomgustafson

I Remember the card it kind of a cool Egyptian art on it's.

24:46.78

Brent

Average is $47 sees their debt I mean it's a car that had been. It's a card that had been dollar five dollars for years. It had been nothing and then just boom spik bread up.

24:48.10

tomgustafson

That is weird.

24:54.52

tomgustafson

Oh you? Okay I guess when you have a I guess have there's a 0 manbility that can lets you potentially un tap it multiple times I guess that could be abused. But yeah $50 for a random otherwise junk card in my mind.

25:03.40

Brent

Hey, that's yeah I'm with it. But yeah. Um, that's ah yeah, it's all it's always I think it's just kind of fun, especially looking through them and seeing them the ones that the still will occasionally have the rubber band that hasn't completely disintegrated around it. So You know the cards have that nice dead done. Ah.

25:23.54

tomgustafson

Little little dent on each side there I said if sports cards to of yeah or Garbage Pa kids I have I remember that was a hot thing when I was ah in elementary school like.

25:29.72

Brent

Ah.

25:34.62

Brent

Oh Garbage Pail kids I remember seeing that movie That's ah ah.

25:40.40

tomgustafson

That movie was terrifying that was a drug trip gone bad for of a movie there. Those things were like I know they're repulsive on the cards but like them their realization of them in real life was extra repulsive on to me.

25:47.99

Brent

Oh yeah, yeah, that was that was a nightmare inducing seeing some of those how they did that animatronic heads they had on there. Whatever yeah, those were those were not worthwhile. Those those should be banned just like wizards announced a new band and restricted this week

26:12.72

tomgustafson

Yeah I I feel like usually when I hear a bandner restricted announcementsment. Usually there's definitely people on both sides are either. You know angry about this being done versus happy that it's done I feel that the Luris Band has been mainly positive that people just like I hated playing against that card. It was really annoying.

26:33.50

Brent

ah ah I ah yeah I I actually for a while in the on magically on arena not online but on arena I did the the ah white life gain deck with Luriss and yes it was I ah I don't apologize to my opponents. Because I still had to play decks like blue black rogues and ah you know mono red with Ember Cle yep black rogues. So but yeah I've I've I haven't heard anybody up on their soapbox about how ah is a horrible thing that Lus got banned.

26:55.19

tomgustafson

Ah, we we know you loved. We know you love playing blue Black rogue. So we we heard.

27:08.30

tomgustafson

So yeah and I saw some like funny comments like you can like things like you can now play 3 kind of converted manoccost permanence in modern again is not a lot of people is like either on bla luris or some of the other combo decks.

27:22.31

Brent

I did see ah someone had linked back to Sam Black's original article for starcity games back when star city games. You know had writers and and his original article basically saying companions too powerful and it's bad for the game this is before.

27:30.69

tomgustafson

We used to used to pay people laugh.

27:42.23

Brent

All the previews are done for acoria they just released they I don't even think we knew the entire cycle of companions yet but Lewis was one of the ones and yeah, he he laid it out. Yes, yep yeah it.

27:45.90

tomgustafson

Oh really, as very preciant to that at that point because it is because they've been well and and and that seems to be the discussion too is now that Luris is gone I guess the concern is a little bit about yourion. But if. If if you took your around of the picture is could they go back to the original I guess wording of of companion ah with it I guess there's not that many in some ways. There's not that many left at that point. So I guess why not? but and with alchemy yeah, it's.

28:09.63

Brent

Yeah, yeah, because.

28:16.69

Brent

Yeah, your.

28:21.10

tomgustafson

Magic is weird now because I was I meant some for a dinner last night that a similar age I'll say never played magic but you know was I'll say kind of familiar with you know what? it is. He's like well do you play it online now I'm like yeah, he's like how does that work I'm like well there's 2 versions. He's like. There's 2 versions of online magic I'm like yeah that is kind of ah already kind of a weird thing to say he's like well why are there 2 I'm like because I was still I was tell about the loan program moment like because I yeah I play these x and trying to explain the economies just like what's he like.

28:50.35

Brent

Um, yeah.

28:57.53

tomgustafson

How do you pick which one to play I'm like I'm confusing myself now and I can't imagine if I was a new person coming into this. Do. Do you feel like if I was a new player coming to metric right now would you feel like you would even unless I googled it would you even become aware that mtgo was there I feel like. Nothing nothing would expose you to it. Everything is Arena that you'd be exposed to.

29:18.27

Brent

Yeah Yeahp I Really thought when Arena came out I was like well this is gonna be what's gonna push Magic forward mtgo is just gonna you know, go in the dustb bi and get kicked to the side and ah once the ah change with alchemy came out. I Feel like Mtgo got ah ah, kind of got a boost ah with Alchemy I And some I I I think it's the I don't want to say it's the refund policy when you've purchased a a card.

29:39.49

tomgustafson

Oh you think it was a boost for mtgo with Alchemy do ah well I'm just curious What what makes you is it just that people don't like cards changing or like what what makes you say that.

29:56.12

Brent

On Magic the gathering or you've won the card. You know you've opened the pack. You bought the gems to open you know? Um, however, many hundreds of packs you need to get the cards that you're looking for and then that change is made and that card is banned. You don't get those gems back so pre Alchemy and I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong on this.

30:03.42

tomgustafson

Ah, yeah.

30:09.50

tomgustafson

Okay.

30:16.50

Brent

Pre-alchemy when a card got banned. You got those like wild cards back with Alchemy You don't so.

30:21.31

tomgustafson

Okay, you're right I do remember when they would ban that you would when you logged in would be like these cards are banned. You get this stuff but I guess I didn't realize that that didn't happen alchemy.

30:29.13

Brent

Yep, no yeah, that doesn't happen if there was a change in how that happened with Alchemy I wouldn't I would do something other than draft on Arena right Now. Ah I only draft on arena. Not very good at it. But I still enjoy doing it. So I I draft on Arena Um, because of that it's like yeah, why would I want to play you know and it's even affected the historic format alchemy still affects that so there is right? There's a standard you have draft which obviously is unaffected by Alchemy and there is a standard. That's not affected by Alchemy I Thought there's one that and and then beyond that everything else is affected by Alchemy cards. But my overall thing is that if you're not going to get a a refund in air quotes for the cards that are changed in Alchemy. Why should I Continue. Ah.

31:02.78

tomgustafson

Ah, that is like I'm pulling up.

31:14.69

tomgustafson

Um, yeah.

31:21.35

Brent

Putting money in for these cards when they could be changed and I'm not getting my like my money back for it I bought this car. You know I bought the gems or whatever I unlocked this card because I'm looking for x card and you've now changed x to YY is not what I was.

31:31.46

tomgustafson

Okay.

31:38.26

Brent

Going for I was going for X and I understand there's power level. There might be an issue there with it. Give me my wild card back for it. So I can apply this towards some other card I'm trying to get then yeah I thought that's nice.

31:48.24

tomgustafson

Yeah, yeah, that is that is confusing like again if I was a new player coming to that and where the cards look different than what maybe and what my paper cards are and like yeah where can I play because ah because you kind of have you still have both versions. But you can only play the alchemy version in most formats but you technically still have the original one aspire as I understand you just can't I guess use it which is basically makes it worthless you know for forine if you can't really use it anywhere and especially that it kind of exposes that it seems like 1 of the achilles heel for the economy being.

32:15.48

Brent

Yep yep.

32:22.32

tomgustafson

Unlike hearstone and a lot of the other programs where there's you know some way of converting like chaff into you I didn't play much hearstone. But like you you could dust you basically turn cart get rid of cards into some sort of currency that you could use to purchase new carts with this. Um.

32:37.76

Brent

Yep, yep yeah, it would be nice if that was included. They had some and and not saying that dusting is the perfect system either. But some way of getting back when there's been a change because that changes outside of your hand. You know it's not no, no one.

32:40.69

tomgustafson

And.

32:52.26

Brent

None of us as players are making that call that I don't want this card to be the way that is wizards mates that call might agree with it. You can disagree with it. But that's not the card that I spent wild cards or whatever purchasing on I Want a refund back for those cards. That's.

33:04.74

tomgustafson

Okay, and okay that I mean that makes sense and I guess there does does but kind of develop a bit of like you said mistrust or you just don't know like hey I love this card now. But what's going to happen down the road I'm not sure it could become useless to me.

33:16.19

Brent

Yeah, Nop Yeah, and it's it's gone as opposed to magic the gathering online I know you have tickets right? you can purchase those carting either or or for dad value.

33:26.94

tomgustafson

The loan program is insane now that I've buked up to the 40 tickets at a time which which comes out to ¢92 a week that I'm paying I am literally have like 2 3 days at a time out because I get out to have so a very small that selection of cards. Most of them you can commit a whole deck for like 4 or 5 total tickets. So it's like.

33:47.40

Brent

I had another question on that I know I'd asked you some last week does it when you ah put in your submit your list a card hoarder for the card. You want to rent or you know borrow on that program when you submit a. You submit the decklist does it cross checkck to see which card you already own like let's say you own the in estrade lands right? You have those in asride lands if you submit a decklist with that to the loan program will the card holder check against your inventory and not try and. Loan you those or do you have to manually remove those from your want list.

34:18.87

tomgustafson

No, it's an opt in so you you have to kind of give permission to see basically your card collection. But if you give yes it will automatically take out cards you already own. So it's it's pretty slick I mean it it obviously works really well. Ah, you know, nothing's ever perfect. Yeah like I mentioned.

34:26.85

Brent

And to make it's just yeah yeah.

34:36.00

tomgustafson

Can be a little challenging if you're doing little Tweaks. You're not doing like a whole deck at a time but it's still.. It's pretty easy like we're talking about just the the Janky Shrines deck and standard. You know I would never want to spend I guess real money to put that deck together but I had extra tickets. I Put the deck list in I have my I have janky shrines get to play for a few days for Fun. You get. It is really Janky. So. It's like I I don't think I'm will play this thing forever. But I got to play for a little bit return it and then now onto a new Deck. So It's It's pretty Cool. Garbage truck is that one still going cause that one has been.

35:05.13

Brent

Are you still of garbage truck garbage truck still going strong.

35:11.86

tomgustafson

That is by far the most rage quits I've ever produced with the deck in recent memory as as we put in our Discord I was like after the like their 6 to seventh creature and road dies to search hacker meck blinking in some fashion. They just quit at that point.

35:29.21

Brent

Ah, did you say the the only I like consistent weakness really seems to be ah, a discard deck right? If you're playing a discard deck. That's your.

35:38.81

tomgustafson

Discard. There's a luckily. Ah, there's enough card draw that usually it's okay because a lot of times then the creatures are usually small enough. It's still um, susceful to you know some sort of you know, even like a 2 damaged surge hacker mac will take out a lot of things. The tough one has been.

35:52.19

Brent

Okay.

35:56.55

tomgustafson

Ah, basically like monoing Agro stompy because some of those some of their trials kind just ridiculous where youre you're going a pack leader turned to that the old girl troll turned three it. It can be tough to race that when you're playing like more of a control type deck at that point.

35:57.26

Brent

Oh.

36:07.89

Brent

Ah, yeah, oh.

36:14.30

tomgustafson

I guess if you if you're doing sideboards you could pull in a lot of you know you know removal but a lot of times I'm I usually just playing best of 1 you know, just for fun games and usually there I'm going to get steamrolled quite well with that.

36:26.77

Brent

Ah, what sounds like you're in phone with it and yeah, that loan program seems I I I can't believe I hadn't heard of it earlier I know I wasn't in on magic online I hadn't played it in forever. But I yeah, the fact that that's not more widely. Guess advertised. Yeah, you don't own the cards. But for that like it's it seems so if you look at a magic player and what they would spend on cards or on you know what? they would spend on cards in a year if you think about it's like it's $50 a year is that is that what it works out to. But.

36:58.11

tomgustafson

Yeah, it's like yeah, it's like 1 you know a couple of non basic lands you know from a new set a lot of times or I can display whatever I want for about a year so for me I'm willing to make that investment right now.

37:04.58

Brent

Yeah.

37:11.65

Brent

Ah, well yeah, it's and whatever you what? bright heaven for it. You could go into a tournament with that couldn't you let's say you could so.

37:16.60

tomgustafson

Well as yeah because I mean there there the cards that I mean I think this is why they have like the whole I mentioned like having to sign like a contract because the cards are just in your collection like in some ways they are yours so you could try to do something nefarious. But yeah, so you can play tournaments. So I think there definitely have been people that try to.

37:26.76

Brent

This okay.

37:36.42

tomgustafson

Like anything maximize like hey I'm getting 20 tickets worth of decks can I play in tournaments to produce more than that tickets to try to I wast go infinite I kind of what people used to call. But basically you could yeah create more revenue I guess than your ah get profit I guess and you can kind of keep going so it.

37:42.34

Brent

Yeah, yeah, yeah, go in from it.

37:54.40

tomgustafson

It's fun I'm never gonna play in any tournaments. But but yeah I think if you're looking for a way to just kind of play and experience magic. It's It's been a nice way to do it with it.

38:04.27

Brent

Yeah, it it sounds like a sounds like a good program I'm sure I'll find a way.

38:07.42

tomgustafson

Al Newman of it is the Al Newman of how to play match the gathering am I good at really any of it. Not really, but can I kind of do it all at least a little bit Al Newman says yes I can

38:19.42

Brent

Yeah, that that car has definitely got some curve in it I can't really.

38:23.12

tomgustafson

n accounting according to the: 9091

38:43.40

Brent

So for for any of our listeners who are younger than twenty some years old the expos were a baseball team that were based out of Montreal the expos had been rough for you. It's I don't.

38:50.31

tomgustafson

Are they not around anymore I haven't follow baseball for many years like is just I think it's like you're like a your young boy. You're just kind of into baseball and stuff. So I evolved it like into the 80 s and 90 s is what I liked baseball.

39:03.33

Brent

still montreal exposed until: 2004

39:13.44

tomgustafson

What were they what happened to him did this like did did they get owned by the liberals is that what happened.

39:22.20

Brent

Ah I think they just ah went away I think they're ah, let's see yeah probably see failed negotiation. We'll hit Wikipedia that has all truth ah looks like yeah no fans I mean it's not unexpected.

39:25.42

tomgustafson

There was like you're are you I Thought you were a hockey team you you play baseball We you should go. You should go now. Yeah.

39:41.89

Brent

ah yeah looks like: 2004

39:46.45

tomgustafson

And this is something I know just because I was a lifelong twins fan is Al Newman at this time he only had one home run. He actually hit two home runs in his career just to keep you up to date 2 total home runs basically Mark Mcguire could do that matting one handed but you know.

40:03.47

Brent

Well the other hand it was holding the steroid injection. So that's why I did it 1 Ah, ah oh man, all that era was oh but.

40:05.30

tomgustafson

Al Newman got to alone the injector pen. That that was also a sweet time of baseball there where you knew something was up because Mark Mcguire went from being you think of like his ah his toppps olympic card you know like normal size human being he was a good player and then looked like the hulk the next year you're saying something changed. Here he also it was like a you can't look like he looked at King Griy Junior I mean he's like a you know a good hitter you know like but I'll say normal size human and then also can't he can't buy shirts anymore is like what happened here.

40:32.81

Brent

Barry Barry Bonds member Barry Bonds is the same way he if? yeah.

40:46.93

Brent

Nope yeah, don't don't do drugs Psa don't do drugs. Everyone.

40:53.34

tomgustafson

That's what we say but I admit if I was a young man I that you're getting a mixed messenger like but that guy does drugs and he's getting like a hundred million dollars a year. Yes, but don't do him because you're you're.

41:03.44

Brent

Ah, ah is is is a lot of money for it. Yeah, don't do drugs. Yeah, there's there. Yeah are we gonna do that I mean we might be uniquely qualified among magic podcasts to discuss these things but this is Sir rights. But.

41:08.67

tomgustafson

Your balls will fall off and you'll have some issues.

41:14.17

tomgustafson

I Hope we could discuss the ah the ah the the bad issues of taking Anabolic steroids now with that my heart exploded and yeah, but.

41:22.20

Brent

Don't take them. It's yep, yep your heart. There's wherever aspect you want to look at it's gonna affect your body back knee The back knee is disgusting. It's so back. Knee is.

41:28.63

tomgustafson

osed to be deadlifting like £: 2000

41:41.14

Brent

This arts rip off. Oh yeah, no steroids don't look at the olympics was it 70 to of the east german of women's team that had mustaches. Yeah, don't don't do don't do stairy.

41:46.42

tomgustafson

Great! Great. Skip.

41:52.55

tomgustafson

Um, yeah, it no steroids like short term gains I mean and and that was and that was a challenge like when we've been like you know talking with like teenagers like in clinic visits. It's like the answer is yes compared to you know, normal exercise and Diet. You do get faster. You know muscle mass at the expense of all these other horrific medical issues. So The answer is it is absolutely not worth it. So Don't do it.

42:15.51

Brent

Ah, oh that's it? No yeah, don't don't not not worth it. It's it's yeah too much money too much pain and all that there but back to the bands. There was also another band outside luris.

42:32.73

tomgustafson

Yeah, going. Yeah, so yeah, so because I you know I you I've dabbled in popper I am not you know on top of the the meta game by any means so I was interested when they when they whenever they ban stuff and popper I'm always curious why you know I.

42:34.44

Brent

This one involved. Ah someone you might know pretty close and that was.

42:52.60

tomgustafson

Just ensuing popper being a format where you can play cards that are at was it at some point released at common rarity because I know rarities can change. Um, so I just went down to to Gavin had a nice article about just explaining why and it sounds like a lot of things because of modern horizons to is where some of these cards came back.

42:57.34

Brent

Um, is.

43:11.83

tomgustafson

At least at at a common rarity and I guess didn't really storm was such an issue in popper. But yeah Galvanic Relay got the axe and he explains that most common storm cards have gotten the axe at this point because Chatter storm was the previous one that got the axe. Um.

43:15.48

Brent

Ah, yeah.

43:30.97

Brent

Um, m.

43:31.61

tomgustafson

Ah, disciple the vault that was another one too that I didn't realize had come in at a common I guess rarity um, in my mind was always an uncommon. So I guess that's where I was a little I didn't know about um I also didn't know about a crork Klan Shaman is when I did not remember.

43:35.51

Brent

M.

43:51.30

tomgustafson

So he he mentioned that one being an issue with a lot of the artifact lands where you could just be a stack a bunch of sacrifices with disciple and basically kill the opponent in one fell soup before the initial trigger. What happened to actually kill the creatures with it.

43:53.92

Brent

Ah god.

44:03.98

Brent

Ah, okay, oh here it is yeah I see that why I don't remember that card at all. Oh it's married and okay there it is well and yet.

44:12.19

tomgustafson

So just it interesting atog you know again, kind of a similar thing. We're kind of abusing aff offended what I would call affinity at that point it was nicea to you kind of explain you some of the comments from Kamigawa ah neon dynasty of that.

44:21.51

Brent

Ah, any.

44:30.27

tomgustafson

Were watching like he he mentioned specifically Experimental synthesizer was one of the concerns that was ah which I guess I had not really paid much attention to that card. My originally read through this.

44:40.35

Brent

Yeah, it's ah, interesting to see how it's a common theme with bannings doesn't matter the format and anytime wizards has done something that's made a spell free or greatly reduced the cost right? So you have free with storm and then you have greatly reduced the cost with affinity. Does always seem to be issues and it it always? yep.

45:00.81

tomgustafson

Almost no matter the the negative it's like usually the the positive still is going to somehow away that when done correctly.

45:07.84

Brent

They they always seem to and wizards always seems like they come. It's a lesson not learn that they come back to go back to that Sam Black article if you look at he was talking about phyrexy and manna he's like they did the phyrey and man think you can't do that like it's wizards does it like cause they want to come back to like? no no, no if we tweak this.

45:14.67

tomgustafson

Yeah, daily.

45:23.56

tomgustafson

Yeah, yeah, memory jar. No, it's you're getting ready. It doesn't matter if it says draw 7 cards. No one. It's it can't be abused. Lion's iodine ah you're losing your hand I mean really.

45:27.32

Brent

This if we tweak this it'll work and work out. But.

45:33.45

Brent

Um, ah well lines in in defense of Lion's eye Diamond which is another one of those cards you're like oh I used to not to do that put that in the spokes of my bike to to to to to that.

45:46.18

tomgustafson

Yeah, no now it's now. No, it's $500 like what the.

45:49.23

Brent

That was a rules change that was a change in the way. Yeah, as it was originally printed it was it was Lion's eye Diamond then when they changed the rules on it. Yes, now it's led and I do like that they put on in this article like they're looking at other cart right.

45:57.47

tomgustafson

Now it's led now it's L E D We just call it that.

46:08.35

Brent

He brought Moon Circuit Hacker um experimental synthesizer. It's nice at wizards it's putting out like hey we're we want to check? you know we haven't abandoned that we're looking, we're we're actively looking at things to try and keep the format healthy and I think that's nice I Think that's ah I think that's good that they have that going and ah. To try and keep a format I Know it's called popper but more affordable I don't know what that what the cost of the best deck is.

46:33.30

tomgustafson

Um, yeah, it's it's kind of interesting to see them I guess forming these do you call them unofficial panels like we have like basically we have like the commanders rule committee we have this popper format committee. It's interesting to see them I guess. And again involving people that are not employees of I mean Gavin is but most other people I saw listed in the popper. Ah like I I think I've chatted with Alex in the past a few times but you know I recognize some of those names where I know that they are not employees of wizards of the coast in any way.

47:03.72

Brent

Yeah, yeah, no, no I think that's also a way that wizards can ah kind of wipe their hand you know oh well, we didn't You know we didn't make this we it's it's it's them that did it and.

47:12.97

tomgustafson

Oh it's it's them. It's ah poor Sheldon he's the one that did that to you go get him.

47:21.85

Brent

Very and then they can kind of all poor I do feel bad he poor Sheldon um.

47:27.23

tomgustafson

Yeah, he is. He takes a lot of garbage and then I we won't go into said mc kidn but just reading some of the things that saidmakinn said to him almost like even if I maybe believed your story you verified you are a garbage human being. To me by attacking somebody like because ah shelda's been open that he is battling cancer right now. He's been open with this on Twitter and says like that that gives you cart blanche for anything but just like man he's just trying to do his thing and hopefully live ah for both me and Brent work in health care. So it's like.

47:49.54

Brent

Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:06.10

tomgustafson

We've all worked with people that unfairly get horrific medical problems and then we'll probably die from them and's just like oh my gosh like order but I don't want to wear a mask. It's like ah screw you come on. You're killing me.

48:12.10

Brent

Yeah.

48:21.35

Brent

Ah, ah, okay, look at only it's 48 minutes until we got the mass so that's good see that's that's awesome and think you know what though here's but but to link it because I know we didn't get to talk about last time I we're getting close to the time.

48:25.57

tomgustafson

Literally ah car Sorry being how you just it just it's infuriating so of at some points. But.

48:41.13

Brent

You know who an interesting species of animal that generally doesn't get cancer. Do you know which one that would be there. You go see.

48:45.68

tomgustafson

Oh that's naked Mule red and they're still trying to figure that one out actually because they they ah I was reading more where they don't It seems like as first as I understand there's been no documented cases as far as cancers for what they understand they they don't think it's not that we by any means understand it seems like they don't think it's completely.

48:55.49

Brent

Is this.

49:04.99

tomgustafson

Impossible for them to get cancer and they're still trying to figure out what that isn't They also seem to have a very low risk or minimal like autoimmune disorders. So ah, you know you in some ways related to what causes a lot of types of cancer. But yeah, so very Interesting. You know all the things that are coming out shutting otherwise a but ugly animal that. Is It's a house for ants sort of thing if you remember that movie. But.

49:26.27

Brent

Is they're really disgusting looking but they have so much unique thing right? The pain they don't have pain the neurotransmitters and there.

49:32.62

tomgustafson

Yeah, no, basically yeah, nope no, it's cutaneous. It said I was reading more like ah, there's a pretty good article as well on the Smithsonian's national zoo site where I guess if you inject them with like ah but a substance p that I guess they will feel. Pain but has to be like weird stuff was like if it was capsasin based so they they can. They can technically feel pain but usually not most of the time. Um.

50:02.24

Brent

Yeah, they are just just disgusting looking I mean that the nicest way they are odd looking animals I do not know. Yeah, let's yeah, sympathy here? Yeah yeah, you just see look at that see look all is this this podcast really covers it all.

50:10.57

tomgustafson

Yeah, cause all hairs on them I Guess they're called Sympathy hairs which I like.

50:19.78

tomgustafson

It does and or.

50:21.75

Brent

You've had baseball on here. We've talked magic which is a cornerstone of it. We even got a little into some cancer and then now we're on the http://moleratsnakedmolerats which makes you wonder if they were called naked mole rats is there a mole rat.

50:28.45

tomgustafson

Yeah, yeah.

50:35.62

tomgustafson

There are many many I guess different types of mole rats. Um, because the because they I always like to make about right because it was it was the first ever identified you social mammal. Ah, and do you do you know what? you sociality is in animals.

50:40.20

Brent

Oh I did not know that.

50:51.32

Brent

What is you sociality.

50:55.43

tomgustafson

Ah, that is I think of like bees where you have only a very small percentage of them can or can reproduce so you be like literally Mega Morats have a queen which is the only fertile female or that can produce offspring and there's then usually just a very small number of.

50:57.27

Brent

Ah, all all oh.

51:12.73

tomgustafson

Of males that can reproduce. Otherwise the rest are basically workers they are sterile but in in mammals. Um, and I think the only ah the only other mammal that's been seen to have this is another form of Mole rat.

51:18.16

Brent

Wow that is crazy.

51:27.77

Brent

Um, Wow that is I did not know that that's crazy.

51:34.37

tomgustafson

Yep, so yeah, best I think they you have the have the queen and then yeah 1 to 3 males and then the rest. Ah usually the colonies I think are on average of like 70 ish you know ugly animals and again one you have a queen and then like 1 to 3 males that can reproduce. The rest are sterile. Ah. It was interesting like they said well obviously things like inbreeding probably could be a problem when you have that and in these various so there's like certain ones are born that have like a natural tendency to want to leave like the nest and like go like to other colonies. It's really interesting to read about kind of.

52:03.99

Brent

Wow.

52:08.32

tomgustafson

How they don't get more ugly I guess from inbreeding.

52:09.15

Brent

And looking doing a quick search on Scry Fallll I do not see a naked Mole Rat listed I see there's only 3 moles and none of them look like well I don't know Mole worms. But I mean that's a worm where the mole none of them look like a naked Mole Rat. So I think need to start pulling some strings. And get a naked Mole Rat Magic card something I bet you can get the art for it see and get something like that in there and then and then oh,, there's lots of rats. Yeah I'm not gonna do I'm not looking through all the rats to see if they they look all look Rat like none of them look like a ah I know the Icar rats.

52:30.50

tomgustafson

That would be pretty good I would like it.

52:47.81

Brent

Icar Rats look pretty disgusting. They're naked. They maybe that's the closest thing that we have that. No this is from a new frexia. Yeah, it's i't see if dark I'm scrolling to look to see see then link this up to.

52:49.38

tomgustafson

Okay I that's from the dark right? That's new for action. Okay I'm tremor there's also another Rat too from dark that was pretty gross looking.

53:07.42

Brent

Oh there, There are some really gross ones like there's rotting. No that's rotting rats that's hard. Oh let's let's do an advanced search bogras. Let's it was Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:12.69

tomgustafson

Think Bog Rats That's what I'm thinking of that was when that was originally in dark they have did I guess that they have a baby one I Guess the they're the ones have fur on there.

53:24.87

Brent

But that's clear and can't be blocked by walls that would make sense right? It's burrowing under. It's doing that so you could get a commission.

53:30.27

tomgustafson

Ire I Ire Rats is pretty. That's a good one I'd say as I'm looking through them quick the rest play Rats I guess but they still have fur and they're undead.

53:36.46

Brent

Um, yeah, as oh yeah, there's some no. So yeah, so that could that could be put in there or you could always use 1 of the many custom magic artists get 1 of them and then you could have them.

53:40.89

tomgustafson

See I don't I don't have a great naked mole wrap analog yet here and we'll say.

53:55.54

Brent

Do the art for you on 1 of those cards. Oh there, you go? Yeah and there you go it. You talk.

53:57.58

tomgustafson

Theoretically changeling that thing's a naked Mole Rat too. It's so it's all types I just got get one of those with custom art that looks like a a naked mole right on it.

54:06.29

Brent

Oh okay, how do you get that that was off of popper. Yeah, we went for yeah because we talked about Sheldon and then the the answer and then the mole rats to ah.

54:13.16

tomgustafson

Cancer mo rats. Yeah, and that's usually how much that match it goes and that's where you end up and then we're start. We're gonna start talking about Starlight Coke and everything else that's out there in these days I have not had it yet I've heard it taste like I believe a scripture her was burnt steak I heard somebody tell me.

54:22.78

Brent

Have have you had Starlight Coke Okay I haven't oh.

54:31.69

tomgustafson

So I kind of want to try it because like that sounds terrible but I need to experience that for myself I guess you just you sw the coke you lick your Nintendo switch cartridges and then you pass out. It's probably can be the new thing new fad for kids.

54:35.11

Brent

Ah, you can put. So that way you can have it in the same category as clear Tab. It's like something that popped up. It was a fad but you had some and so you can say that the experience. Yeah I've I think I've seen it once and I didn't buy any I was like what the hell is this and then yeah.

54:48.88

tomgustafson

Experience it.

54:59.64

Brent

I had not heard the steak analogy for Starlight coke.

55:03.62

tomgustafson

So I will get to experience it but Brent I think we're we're getting towards the end here but I'll say join us next week we'll talk more about what we've been planned. Actually you mentioned you're doing some drafts is there any like other types of decks or like any of the form you've been planned before we go.

55:20.70

Brent

No, actually no I've ah, still been stuck on draft I'm having a good time. Ah, the deck I've made I don't know why it's winning I'm not good at drafting and yeah I don't know what is so luck is on my side. Whatever not. Ah. What's the term like the statistical term variance variances on my side with this because yeah yep, it I've just happened to be hitting it because ah yeah, the last one I played it was ah they had 3 of those Michico sagas in there and I was like I'm yeah.

55:41.26

tomgustafson

Okay, you you got you got your bars and you're just hitting the right at that top of the bar.

55:55.62

tomgustafson

Uses green whites Well green wine cha has been I mean you can drive for. It can be just a but but beast.

55:58.65

Brent

Ah, and I happen to win and I don't know it's I'm playing ah a blue white. It's not vehicles. It's just a blue white deck with splashing black and I hate guess I have enough things that ah that can stop their creature. You know make them where they can't attack or can't block or those enchantments And yeah. But yeah, no, just just draft. How have you? Ah, you still been doing your standard slam with the garbage truck.

56:22.80

tomgustafson

Yeah, and ah and two I might ah I've I've enjoyed playing junk stuff and a modern too and now that I might see Lesss Lois which it was just their very competitive deck. So it got little annoying because I think it was. They had some meet stats like roughly like a third of the decks that they were monitoring like 31% were luos based so I'll be fun to go back to modern I think and play a bit more there you know because that's the that is 1 cool name Bob modern is that if if it's a healthy format There are so many cards and decks out you can play.

56:44.64

Brent

Okay.

56:55.48

tomgustafson

Sub optimal funex and you actually still usually do okay with this so big butt Don will come back as a big butt dorn with giant ox that is just too much fun.

56:59.28

Brent

That sounds great. Big buttorn big butt Doorn. Ah. Ah, ah, have you ever played. Ah is it arcadie sabbath isn't that is that the similar one or is that just for walls the elder dragon from m nineteen oh okay, well here. Yeah.

57:12.16

tomgustafson

I think that's I think that's for walls I believe but there's ah, there's a at least 3 ah was a timber knot. There's like at least 3 cards that basically have the door to be of Doran I think the timbernot and there's also an enchantment a green enchantment that also.

57:21.73

Brent

Yeah, Okay, okay.

57:30.75

tomgustafson

Lets you deal damage based on your toughness. Yeah I have I have canopy something I feel like I had the word canopy and then I don't remember anymore.

57:31.39

Brent

Yeah, isn't it when the citadel ones from the car care block isn't that canopy canopy Seege I Bet that's it I think you got it or not no I don't know. Okay I'm bad.

57:45.53

tomgustafson

I boy I just but it's it's it's just an oddly fun deck just as ah, the giant ox you know swinging like usually you turn to or turn 3 as a six six is just always ah a good times.

57:50.57

Brent

Yeah, what's up.

58:00.26

Brent

Um, well it sounds like fun.

58:03.64

tomgustafson

All right? Yeah so I'd say in general for the podcast I think we're up basically ah Monday night magic is now live on pretty much all of the major ah podcast services. So I think you basically just search for moneynet magic and find it in. You know, Spotify itunes I ah, my I have an iphone. And I use. What is the pocket cast I think I use the name of the program I was able to find it there. So I think you're pretty much everywhere if you want to connect with us on Twitter I am psg reader and Brent if you wanted to share Mr. No pans there.

58:34.33

Brent

I I have to look as I am ah at Dr no pants. Ah at Dr Nop Pants one which obviously means I guess Dr. no pants was already taken.

58:45.40

tomgustafson

1 you you killed an a Dr. no pan 0

58:54.30

Brent

There was no so yeah at Dr Nopants one and Twitter that's a story for another time but there you go? yeah.

58:59.20

tomgustafson

You were very a very popular doctor then build that's like ah it's like a like a bodega code like I'm here to see doctor. No pants wink wink that that.

59:06.70

Brent

No pants. Yeah. It.

59:13.29

tomgustafson

I maybe you had this coming from a smaller town as well. But there was like this little italian restaurant near where I grew up and it's called Jimbos um, Jimbo's always looked very seedy I never ate there once in my entire life because it looked terrible from the outside looked very decrepit very small and everybody wondered the. Everybody I know nobody ever talked to ever actually knew anybody that ate there so there's all these wild urban legends about why that restaurant could survive for like 40 years the personal favorite and this is the one that had the most. Ah I think legs is that it had an underground or a hidden porn theater beneath. It.

59:39.84

Brent

This.

59:47.86

Brent

Oh oh, that's ah we have a ah greek restaurant. It's great place. Uncle Nix ah Uncle Nix and the story is that they're somebody went in there like 2 in the morning. So you know um, is to ah.

59:50.00

tomgustafson

Was below Jimbo's Italian restaurant. So that's my personal.

:: 00:05

Brent

Buy a bag of napkins and slid the money across the counter and then somebody came from the back and slid the bag of napkins across the counter and he he didn't get a euro he didn't get anything else from uncle Nix he just he just.

:: 00:08

tomgustafson

It's okay.

:: 00:16

tomgustafson

Got you got like you got a green Euro Green burrito I think it was the old code.

:: 00:22

Brent

Just got his bag of napkins and was right back out the door. So yeah, that was our I mean Nix has been around for yeah Uncle Nix has been around forever and they have great euroes. They have great euros but that is our that would give that is our local? yep.

:: 00:25

tomgustafson

Perfect. You know because you yeah serve the economy I guess serve the town. Yeah, so if you if you have you ever meet like somebody my age for my town they will know they will know the store hit the Jimbo's porn theater it's probably not nothing remotely true, but everybody knew that they had a porn theater.

:: 00:43

Brent

Timbo's poor theater.

:: 00:47

Brent

Ah, well this has been great.

:: 00:47

tomgustafson

In the basement of Jim Bos italian restaurant this is before like we do about drugs. It's like well like drugs make a lot more sense but no, it's got to be an underground porn theater. That's why a Jim Bos is still open.

:: 00:56

Brent

Important Whatever they were laundering whether it was porn or drugs or ah.

:: 01:02

tomgustafson

The size of a Kodak photo booth. You know on the top but it's got a gigantic basement that's important here. Yeah so mondaynet magic bring you the best of magic news animal knowledge urban legends every week. So thank you brand for joining again and we will come back to you.

:: 01:14

Brent

Urban legend 10 Yep.

:: 01:21

tomgustafson

Hopefully what more capend and news I again I'm excited for that set so hopeful have more about that to talk about all right? We'll talk to you then.

:: 01:26

Brent

They'll be awesome.